From what source does the government derive its power to punish its citizens?
If this source is not morality what else could it possibly be? If it is morality than would capital punishment not undermine the very source of its power? By killing, the government becomes as amoral as the murderer and thus loses its right to power of punishment. In short how can such an amoral monster as government which murders(punisment and war), lies, and uses humans as tools, be the ultimate distributor of moral justice?
Did you or I sign a social contract? Did you or I truly give consent? The social contract is something you were told about in school. Not something one signed, not something one truly thinks. Government and ethics were never meant to be seperate.
To the question of “which morals should be enforced?” and punishment equaling the crime: There are a number of moral philosophies out there that when looked at by any person few truely major faults can be found(Nicomachean ethics, Kant’s ethics, etc.) Crishtianity has many flaws and for some reason someone always brings it up anytime I mention the word morals. And on punishment does the government steal from the thief or rape the raper? Do they beat the assaulter or slander the slanderer? Incarceration is equal punishment for every crime except murder? Does that really make sense that we couldn’t as easily punish murder with incarceration as we do with stealing?
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Did Collins possess subsystems ? Did the subsystems possess their own power tools ?
Q/by shariputra/Does a subsystem, intended to be integrated into a system, come with its own “power tools” ? It would have to,?
wouldn’t it ? Wouldn’t the subsystem have to have been “born integrated” ?
So is it an oxymoron to say that Collins computerization ran into integration problems ?
•A/by John_Dem…
will say this about defense workers around the world (I’ve worked with US, British, Canadian, Belgian, German, and Israeli), they tend to be pretty patriotic and pretty self-conscious. I don’t think that it is likely that someone would doctor a subsystem.
Also, as I recall, the faults associated with the Collins class subs were not a specific catastrophic failure, but a series of cost and schedule overruns, problems with quality due to inexperience building submarines, and the rate of change of computerized equipment making the original equipment obsolete.
As the McIntosh-Prescott report found, “the underlying cause is a myriad of design deficiencies and consequential operational limitations relating to the platform and combat system.”
So no, I don’t think these boats were messed up on purpose. No, I don’t think a rogue employee or manager trashed the system. I think it was due to lack of experience: experience managing, experience manufacturing, and experience developing long lasting military projects.
•A/by Waikiki Kahuna
A sensor system S, born integrated with some sort of effector system E2.
An effector system E , born integrated with some sort of sensor system S2.
And you want systems S and E integrated.
So you can aim for interoperability of (S and E2) and (E and S2).
•A/by mikejobo…
My Dear Shariputra,
I like the way you put it: ‘oxymoron’.
I agree that it is an oxymoron to say that Collins computerization ran into integration problems, since they did not use subsystems power tools properly.
They did not or else, it would have facilitated integration, or be ‘born integrated.’
I like your questions, Shariputra.
•A/by Froggie
It would have to otherwise it wouldn’t be able to integrate in the first place
Does a subsystem, intended to be integrated into a system, come with its own “power tools” ? It would have to,?
wouldn’t it ? Wouldn’t the subsystem have to have been “born integrated” ?
So is it an oxymoron to say that Collins computerization ran into integration problems ?
If a system is to be built from subsystems, are the subsystems “power tools” that facilitate the “integration”?
So something doesn’t add up if there are rumours that Collins system was difficult to integrate.
One of the following can be described as a grest revolution in the human life:?
a. Knowledge of polishing tools and weapons
b. Discovery of agriculture
c. Beginning of the construction of huts
d. Discovery of rotary motion
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Are safety-critical systems “destroyed during their construction” if people hide the user manuals and other
“acceptance” documents, then order fresh documents to be produced without access to the appropriate sources or tools, then start doctoring the built system because it doesn’t meet the new, bogus, documents.
Can this happen ?
To gi,
Thanks. Terrific info.
To who,
Thanks. More later.
To : )
some good ideas.
there’s a warranty and liability problem if someone runs off and produces their own user manual and offers it but denies access to the user manual the manufacturer produced.
there’s a warranty and liability problem if the software that was accepted at the factory test demo. is doctored to meet essentially bogus documents.(doctored acceptance documents)
Would a safety-critical computerization project resemble construction of a tall building in Dubai, and also
resemble the acrobats in the Olympic opening ceremony ? (I saw a video of rehearsal so I assume it went ahead).
There’d be no scope in the project for people (unnecessarily) amending contracts.
There’d be no scope in the project for people tearing down legacy simulators. (A simulator cannot think, it cannot detect whether it is connected to legacy software or Collins software. A legacy simulator would be an ideal tool to help in testing Collins system. So why would it be torn down ?)
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